A few years back when I was really green this girl after date 4 texted me saying next time we meet she expects me to start touching her in a sexual way or it’s not going to work out.
I remember thinking “Wow! Really? She wants it to happen that soon!?” Yep, back then I was a huge idiot when it came to women.
If you’re actively approaching you should be going on dates all the time. Even if you’re a big time player and live off of one night stands you have to go on dates unless you’re so good you’re slaying new pussy every weekend. And we know you are not that good. You need to go on dates to have a girl or two to see on a regular basis. And if you’re going on dates how long are you willing to wait until sex? A week, two weeks, a month?
I was recently seeing this girl from Italy for about three weeks. All my attempts to have sex with her were futile. She would say she doesn’t trust American guys because all they want is sex. She would use every excuse in the book to not come to my place. We would never be alone in her apartment because her sister, who is visiting, was there all the time. Blah blah blah. The only reason I was still trying 3 weeks in was the fact that she was really hot and I had two other girls I was seeing regularly. Otherwise I would have abandoned that ship long time ago. So how long do you wait for sex before pulling the plug?
In my experience the maximum is 2 weeks or 4 dates whichever comes first. Hence the 2/4 rule. Assuming you’re doing everything right most normal modern girls will have sex with you within that time frame. If it doesn’t happen then either your game needs improving or she is just wasting your time. Yes she may like you to have sex with you eventually, when she thinks is the right time. Even still she is wasting your time because you could have invested it in another girl and have sex with her sooner. In rare cases I’m willing to extend to 5 dates or 3 weeks as an absolute top. But she has to be really exceptional if I’m willing to do that as was the case with the Italian girl.
And those four dates should really happen within the first two weeks. If you’re not seeing each other twice a week there is not enough attraction between the two of you. All those “I’m busy with work/social life” excuses bullshit is just that – bullshit. If a girl wants to see you she’ll make it happen. It’s not just women it’s how all people are. If she is making excuses she is not that interested. Period. If a girl doesn’t want to go to your place by date number four she either wants to make you work for it or your game sucks. If you do your job initiating sexual contact and she just doesn’t go for it then this rule applies.
Now of course there are exceptions. Life is sometimes unpredictable and it may workout with a girl that made you wait for a month. Maybe when you met her she was about to go on vacation or she was moving to a new place. Things happen. But majority of normal girls under normal circumstances should fall within that time frame. I’ve tried multiples times to go over the 2/4 limit however even if sex did eventually occur the ratio of effort to output was not worth it. I would’ve been better off pursuing a new target.
When you do feel like making an exception and giving this girl a chance beyond the two week/four date threshold do so only when you work other targets at the same time. Otherwise there is a very high chance you’re wasting your time. It’s just too inefficient. Also after the 2/4 you should be investing as little time and effort as possible, the bare minimum. Her priority as a target should drop to the bottom. Divert your energy to other targets. Meaning you only see her when you have time that you can’t occupy with other targets. You initiate contact minimally.
We know girls like sex as much as guys do. Girls that make you wait too long for sex either have hang-ups or are manipulative. You don’t want to be with either one of those types. They could be too old fashioned as well. Which is not a bad thing in and of itself if you’re into that but unless you’re ready to marry that chick don’t get involved. In this day and age if a girl is interested in you and makes you wait for sex longer than 2 weeks she is not worth pursuing. The likelihood of having sex with her after the first 2 weeks diminishes significantly. If for whatever reason she chooses not to have sex within that time frame there is something up with her that you don’t want to deal with. You’re not a therapist to try and figure this out.
Again 2/4 rule is an upper limit of how long it should take before sex. Most girls that want to make you her boyfriend will put out on the 3rd or 4th date if your game is tight enough. I’m talking about girls that want to lock you down as a boyfriend. The same girls that will make a regular chump wait for months. Now if you’re good you can convert on 1st and 2nd dates as well. And it’s not really that hard. You know why? Because girls know whether they will fuck you or not within like first half hour of meeting you. This number is not very scientific, it’s a rough assessment but the point is the girl knows whether she will have sex with you very soon after meeting you. So it’s really up to you to make it happen as you’re the leader and she is the follower. It comes with experience. One of my ex girlfriends after we had sex on the fourth date told me that she started taking birth control the day after we first met. She already made up her mind about sleeping with me although she held me off for another week or so. You can ask your women about it and they will confirm this.
And there are really are no tricks to sleeping with girls on a first date. After we are done doing whatever I planned for the date I just say “Hey, come check out my place” or some variation of that. That’s all. No magic here. If you say it like something you’re used to saying all the time and like it’s not a big deal (which it shouldn’t be) she will comply.
Everything after that point when she decided she will sleep with you is just a game. If you’re not going to do anything stupid it’s only a matter of time. If you have any game you’ll make it happen within the first two weeks or four dates. She will be trying to hold off for as long as she can because that’s what women do. It’s understandable as sex is a much more loaded commitment for women.
This 2/4 rule is not to suggest that sex is a sole purpose of pursuing women. It is for some guys, that’s the only thing they are after. I don’t’ judge them but that’s not me. Yet sex is important to me and this rule simply is an indicator of how sexually healthy a relationship is going to be.